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Dr. Afrasheem and Gubad represent moderate voice of Islam in Maldives

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Dr. AfrasheemIt’s quite refreshing to see our Member of Parliament Dr. Afrasheem back in the mainstream media. I was fortunate to see the MP on DhiTV recently, and it was interesting to see at least one Muslim who doesn’t twist Islam and claim music, photography, art, movies and all other kinds of human creativity are haram. Look at recent Dheenuge Magu leaflets on Friday by the Islamic Ministry (monopolised by the extremist Adhaalath Party) and you tend to wonder whether you are even allowed to live!

People like Afrasheem and Gubad Abu Bakr, on the other hand, represents the moderate voice of Islam in Maldives, something which is sorely lacking now in Maldives which is under threat from extremism, represented by organisations such as Adaalath Party. I still maintain my view that Adhaalath is a far worse evil for Maldives’ nation development than the Maumoon regime.

Extremists will of course label Afrasheem and Gubad as “deviant” because deviants won’t see themselves as deviants, right? I bet if these extremists come on a live debate with Afrasheem and Gubad, their extremist viewpoints will be easily defeated. They won’t have anything to argue with. Since extremists have nothing useful or constructive to say, their only remaining weapon is painting moderates like Afrasheem and Gubad in a bad light.

One case in point is that extremists now try to make Afrasheem and Gubad look evil just because they happen to be on DRP side. I could argue the same with Adhaalath who are addicted to power too. Before they came to be in the current government, they talked about getting rid of bank interest, successfully carrying out tourism without alcohol business and had even criticised President Nasheed saying he was “not presidential material” and officially claimed they will not vote for him in the October 2008 presidential elections. Hence, their current “marriage of convenience” with the MDP is a blatant expose of their own addiction to power. Adhaalath, being the extremist hypocrites they are, is giving Maldivians this message: religion can take a backseat as far as power is concerned.

Maldivians who seek the truth won’t be deluded and blinded by extremist propaganda. Thank God for that.

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32 Responses to “Dr. Afrasheem and Gubad represent moderate voice of Islam in Maldives”

  1. Atheist

    Music, photography, art, movies and all other kinds of human creativity are Halaal in their nature. They all become Haraam depending on the contexts in which they are being used. It becomes Zina when you have sex with some one out of the wedlock, but it becomes Halaal when do it with your legal wife!

  2. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
    “Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).

    So from the above we clearly see that music is haram. But never mind what the Prophet(SAW) said because hilath his proclaimed music halal.

    Really, who is twisting Islam?

  3. muslim

    Ibn Khattab is misunderstood. It never says music is haram in the quran. What others say quoting Prophet MOhamed(saw) is second hand> I will follow the quran and look upon all other issues to common sense based upon knowledge!

  4. So you reject the hadith? You are a deviant Quranite then who rejects what the Messenger (SAW) says despite Allah ordering us to obey the Messenger(SAW). Tell me this “muslim”, if you reject the hadith as “second hand ” then how do you know how many rakats are in each prayer or how much zakat to pay given this information isnt contained in the Quran?

  5. Ibn Khattab has shown his true colors, as a mongrel dog of the international Arab-Zionist coalition. When I exposed all their plans, he marked himself guilty by shutting off all debate, and quoting weak hadeeth that should not be followed. To tell the truth; I wasn’t sure what I was saying was true or not – but gauging the enemy’s reaction, and their resulting guilty behaviour – I am convinced.

    For such bastards who sell out the nation’s future for their own personal gain, only a gruesome, televised death in a military death camp is fitting. Don’t think even your precious masters in Saudi Arabia is safe. This is the age of information – every vile deed, every betrayal and every crime your kind have committed against humanity in the name of your so-called “Islamic Brotherhood” will be exposed, and punished in ways to rival Hitler’s Final Solution.

  6. Hoozahipocraitden

    Did I just see Ibn Khattab call someone a “deviant Quranite”?!? Sacre blu! Sacrilege! Who’s the hypocrite now kekekeke… well done, Ibn. Shown your true colours after all. devout muslim, my ass.

  7. More lies shadowrunner? I clearly told you I will no longer publish any posts which are insulting or personal attacks. You continued to do so and those posts where not allowed. The one you posted on the hadith which had no personal attacks was allowed. I posted an article which contained a weak hadith yet nothing was based on that hadith and the hadith was clearly marked as weak so you are just being silly again.

    Again you are making bizarre claims about arab-zionist coalitions to hide the fact that there is no real substance to anything you say. And your macho rubbish is just getting tiring.

  8. Hoozahipocraitden, what on earth are you talking about? Are you a Muslim and if so do you not consider the Quranite sect as deviants?

    NOTE: The Quranite sect are a sect which accept only the Quran and reject the ahadith, which I assume you where unaware of and so made your comment in ignorance.

  9. Always beware of people who speak ‘authoritatively’ about ‘deviants’.

    The Quranites, Shias, Sunnis, Kharjites, Sufis, etc. are all muslims.. Surely, if someone submits to God – then he’s a submitter aka Muslim.

    Who’s anyone else to decide anything? ;-/

  10. Lies, you say.


    If they were lies, you would have disproved me. Have you heard about the story of the Medianite who came to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to hurl obscenities at the prophet?. And did you know what the prophet did?. He stayed silent and listened to the man, and then proved to him that what he said was utter falsifications. The medianite, suprised by the kindness and honesty of the prophet, then converted to Islam on the spot.

    If you had followed the prophet’s footsteps, I would have been defeated. But you choose to hide, afraid that people would find out about your hypocrisy – and fell into my trap. You see, that was my purpose all along; to throw those accusations at you to see how you would react. By shutting out debate, and acting as a mouthpiece for your Arab masters, you have simply done what I wished for you to do. You have exposed yourself as the of the maggots who wish to sell Maldives to the highest bidder, in the name of Islamic Brotherhood. You have proven the secret existence of the Arab-Zionist coalition; and how they are targeting poverty-struck peoples from third world countries.

    For this, I thank you. I needed a well-thought out reason, backed by evidence;- to justify something akin to Hitler’s Final Solution. And you have provided me with what I want.

    Oh, and in closing, there are weak hadith, badly translated – they do not need to be followed. Anyone with common sense can feel out what is right and wrong.

    Enjoy the remaining moments of your life knowing that no matter what you say or do, you serve me now. Your vile propaganda and your base crimes against the Creator has condemned you to be subordinate to me. Everything you do, every lie, every twisting of the islamic religion you make – will work for me. Did you know that the 2003 riots were sparked when the populace could not bear the oppression any longer?. History will repeat itself.

  11. Shadowrunner,
    as most of your post is just a fabrication as usual I will ignore it. One point however I will answer is that of the weak hadith. I agree that we dont follow them and that is why it was made clear in the article that it was weak – so as no one would take it as an evidence. I have said many times that weak ahadith are not to be followed so your point makes no sense. The fact is that the article contained a weak ahadith and when we are posting the writing of someone else it is good for context to post it in full. Do you not agree with this as it seems logical to me. In fact I have said in the post on the fake hadith on Jihad “One of the methods of the munafiqeen is and always was to use fake and weak ahadith to confuse the Muslims. Many of these fake ahadith have becomes so widely spread that many people have come to see them as authentic. As Muslims we are forbidden to use such ahadith as to do so is to imply that the Prophet (SAW) said or did something which he in fact did not do or say.”
    You say I twist the Islamic religion so please show me where I do this.

    Saying a group is deviant is not saying they are not Muslims however not everyone who believes in Allah and the Messenger is a Muslim. Thats the belief of the Murijah sect. Do you not think you are a little arrogant to simply dismiss Islamic beliefs which are agreed upon by the Scholars and which have been followed from the time of the Prophet(SAW) up until today.

    The fact is these groups dont submit to Allah in the way they are commanded to do i.e. they have deviated from what has been revealed, hence devianst. Take the rafidah for example who worship Ali (RA) and say Abu Bakr(RA) and Umar(RA) are kaffirs. If you want to consider these people as Muslims and claim they are not deviants then you seriously misunderstand Islam.

    The Prophet(SAW) said Islam will divide into 73 sects and 72 will be in the hellfire. Do you disagree with this? I also think there is the fact that if these groups are not deviant then you must be as you practice Islam and submit differently and so if they are on the correct path then you must be on the wrong given that they may worship Ali (RA) or worship graves or declare people non Muslims if they drink alcohol.

  12. Now you claim that the prophet did not use kindness and tolerance to spread religion?. You are not completely useless, it seems. Yes, keep spreading your malicious lies about Islam – you’re doing exactly what I want. Are you just too thick-headed to realize you have done exactly what I wanted you to?.

    That, or your english reading skill needs a serious overhaul. Read what I said; I said I accused you to gauge your reaction – Your reaction told me what I wanted to know. Is that so hard to understand, or should I use simple english?.

    Or is it that you’re too ashamed to admit to have played right into my plot that you keep screaming “lies” and “no u!”?.

    That’s allright. I have manipulated more stronger people into doing my bidding. A simple maggot like you had no chance to survive.

  13. Mohamed


    You’ve become an irritation these days with such writings. Perhaps for you religion is something which can be practiced at levels, but the fact is, religion is an absolution. Tell me how you can moderately practice religion? How can there be extremism in religion? If you believe that what ever Adaalath is preaching, is ‘extremism’ as out of the bounds of Islam, then clearly you are stating they are not preaching within the tenets of Islam. Mind you, religion is not about moderate practice, it is about practicing it.

    I have clearly noticed of your grudge towards whoever is practicing Islam in Maldives. You tend to take sides with people like Afrasheem just to spite them, when you yourself clearly know the truth. Failing to understand simple concept of freedom is one thing, which makes me wonder how and why you qualify yourself as a journalist with such biased writings!

  14. Invisible Pink Hollow Unicorn

    Mohamed, you are right. All religious people including yourself are fundamentalists and extremists which is why all religions are the root of all evil.

    “fundamentalism is not some by product of religions, but rather the reason why these religions still exists. What you need to understand is fundamentalism is the driving force of religions and its basic principles.”

    You might be interested in reading the rest of the above blog post from imagine-outopos blog:

    The sooner we get rid of religions the better for humanity. Or in the case of Maldives, the sooner we can separate religion from government and politics, the better for Maldives society.

  15. Hoozahipocraitden

    Dear Ibn, I am very much aware of what a Quranite is, thank you, so your self-deluded claim that I am ignorant is hogwash. And since you obviously have trouble with your short-term memory, I won’t even bother to explain what on earth I was talking about. And I never mentioned anything about whether I was a Muslim or not and it has absolutely no relevance to what I said about you being a hypocrite, which you clearly are.

    What do you mean, do I consider the Quranites to be deviants or not? What does it matter what I think? Does it make them any more deviant than you just because I consider them to be so? Who am I to judge them? It’s God’s job to sort em out, not mine. But you apparently are under the delusion that it is your job to declare who gets access to heaven and who gets thrown into hell. Just shut up, you pompous blowhard.

    But just to keep things interesting, I’ll let you know that the only person I consider a deviant around here is you.

  16. Ahmed

    Ibn Khattab,

    In Quran Al-Isra verse 36 Allah says “You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them”

    A lot of Hadiths are fabricated ones, including sahih Bukhary/Muslim.

    If you have time, please read my reasons.

    Ahmed, Vol. 1, page 171 also Sahih Muslim: “Do not write down anything of me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it”

    Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said, “Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it”

    Ibn Hanbal; Zayd Ibn Thabit (The Prophet’s closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu’aawiyah (more than 30 years after the Prophet’s death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu’aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said. ” the messenger of God ordered us NEVER to write anything of his hadith,”

    The famous book, “Ulum Al-Hadith” by Ibn Al-Salah, reports a hadith by Abu Hurayra in which Abu Hurayra said the messenger of God came out to us while we were writing his hadiths and said; “What are you writing?” We said, “Hadiths that we hear from you, messenger of God.” He said, “A book other than the book of God ?!” We said, “Should we talk about you?” He said, Talk about me, that would be fine, but those who will lie will go to Hell. Abu Hurayra said, we collected what we wrote of Hadiths and burned them in fire.

    In the famous book, “Taq-yeed Al-Ilm”, Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God was informed that some people are writing his hadiths. He took to the pulpit of the mosque and said, “What are these books that I heard you wrote? I am just a human being. Anyone who has any of these writings should bring it here. Abu Hurayra said we collected all these and burned them in fire.

    Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad book, narrates a hadith in which Abdullah Ibn Omar said, “the messenger of God one day came out to us as if he was going to depart us soon and said, “When I depart you (die), hold to the book of God, prohibit what it prohibits and accept as halal what it makes halal.” He never mentioned the Sunna in this hadiths.

    Again, in the book “Taq-yeed Al-Ilm”, Abu Saeed Al-Khudry said, ” I asked the messenger of God a permission to write his hadiths, but he refused to give me a permission.”

    Clearly the Prophet forbid us from writing his Hadith. Today we see the consequences of not honoring the Prophets words. There are so many versions of every little thing. This is exactly what the Prophet tried to prevent.

    My question to you; Are the Hadiths documented in the Sahih books true words of the Prophet?

    The number of hadiths collected and attributed to the prophet Muhammed is in the hundreds of thousands, as much as 700,000. As much as 99% of all these hundreds of thousands hadiths are pure lies and fabrications and were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they can figure out which hadith is authentic and which is not. Let us look at some of the famous hadiths collectors and what they collected.

    Malik Ibn Anas collected about 500 hadiths in his famous book, “Al-Muwattaa”

    Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths, in his famous “Musnad”.He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 hadith were un-proven, lies and/or fabrications and the others may be authentic. That is 94% lies and fabrications.

    Bukhary collected about 600,000 hadiths and accepted only 7275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected .
    Moslem collected 300,000 hadiths and only accepted 4000 of them, and refused about 296,000. that is almost 99% of these collected hadiths.
    Now, is it fair to say Hadiths were fabricated? This will give you an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door. Now we should understand why God promised to preserve, protect and safeguard His book, the ONLY authentic hadith, the ONLY acceptable hadith, the BEST HADITH, the Quran. NO such guarantee was offered to the fabrications and lies of the fabricators and liars who tried to improve on God’s book, and called the Quran incomplete, undetailed and imperfect, and claimed that the Quran needs clarification by another book.

    Lots of Hadiths were narrated from Abu Hurayra. He came from Yemen in the seventh year of Hijra and converted to Islam. He stayed in the company of the Prophet Muhammed less than two years. He narrated 5374 hadiths, from this less than two years company, (Compare this with the relatively few hadiths narrated by Aysha, Abu Bakur, or Omar, for example, after very long company of the prophet). Most of his narrated hadiths are called the “Aahad” hadiths, i.e. hadiths only witnessed by one person, this one person was Abu Hurayra himself. Some of the Prophets companions (Sahaba) and Aysha, the Prophet’s wife, accused him of being a liar, telling lies about the prophets just to make up hadiths and gain some status. Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, the second guided Khalifa threatened Abu Hurayra to send him to exile if he does not stop telling hadiths about Muhammed, he did stop until Omar’s assassination then started again. He kept telling hadiths to please the Khalifa of the Muslims then, including the time he lived in the Royal Palace of Mu’aawiyah in Syria. Abu Hurayra told his audience that he is telling them hadiths that if he ever mentioned when Omar was alive, he would be given several lashes.

    Please have a look below at the number of Hadiths collected by Abu Hurayra in comparison to Aysha, Abu Baker, Umar and Ali.
    Taken from a book entitled Hadith Literature: It’s Origin, Development, & Special Features by Muhammed Zubayr Siddiqui:

    1. Abu Hurayra 5374
    4. ‘Aysha Umm al-Mu’minin 2210
    10. Umar Ibn al-Khattab 537
    11. Ali Ibn Abi Talib 536
    31. Abu Bakr al-Siddiq 142

    First number indicates rank …second number indicates number of Ahadith given.

    Compare the numbers of Hadiths given by Abu Baker by that of Abu Hurayra while keeping in mind that Abu Baker accompanied the Prophet for about 23 years, while Abu Hurayra accompanied the Prophet for less than 2 years.

    Here are examples of some Sahih Hadiths.

    Sahih Bukhary and Moslem;
    Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God said; “If it was not for the Jews (Children of Israel),the food would have never deteriorated and the meat would have never turned bad (rot, decay or spoil). & If it was not for EVE, no WOMAN would have ever cheated on her husband.”
    A blasphemy against God and His prophet. Insulting women and dogs is a characteristic feature of Abu Hurayra’s attitude. The Prophet Muhammed could not have said this NON-SENSE. They still however put it in their Sahih (Authentic) Hadiths Books. This is a direct violation of Quran and known facts. Abu Hurayra did not know then, that there is living germs that make the food and meat turn bad even before the creation of the Jews. Quran never blamed EVE for the sin that Adam and Eve committed. Blaming all the women in the world for supposedly a sin that Eve committed is against the basic Quranic principles and against the justice of God, the Most Merciful. See 6:164

    Sahih Bukhary and Sahih Moslem;
    Abu Hurayra said, the prophet said; ” Yawning is from Satan. If you are about to yawn, you should try to stop it as much as possible. If you yawn, Satan will laugh.”

    Sahih Bukhary 8/102 and Hanbel 4/86
    “If a monkey, a black dog or a woman passes infront of a praying person, his prayer is nullified.”
    This hadith that was narrated by Abu Hurayra was strongly denied by Aysha, the Prophet’s wife and accused Abu Hurayra of not telling the truth. Despite that this hadiths is still found in the middle of the so called authentic (Sahih) hadiths.

    Abu Hurayra said; the prophet said; “If any of you yawn,, then try your best to stop yawning because Satan will enter (your mouth).”
    Another NON-SENSE by Abu Hurayra and accepted as Sahih by Bukhary and Moslem. Our beloved Prophet would not say such non-sense. He told his true followers not to write but the QURAN.

    Sahih Bukhary and Sahih Moslem;
    Abu Hurayra said the prophet said;
    “When someone wakes up from sleep, he/she should clean his/her nasopharynx (back of the throat), (by taking the water in the mouth, gurgle with it and bringing it through the nose) three times, because Satan spends the night in the nasopharynx (back of the throat).
    Another non-sense by Abu Hurayra accepted by the Sahih books scholars that showed many lies attributed to the Prophet.

    Sahih Moslem and Bukhary;
    Abu Hurayra said, the prophet said;
    ” When the call for prayer is made, SATAN turns around to leave farting very loud so that he would not hear the Azan (call for prayer), When Azan is finished Satan returns back……”
    Another Sahih NON-SENSE.
    What this has to do with the religion of WORSHIP GOD ALONE ??

    Sahih Bukhary and Sahih Moslem;
    “Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God said; “The Children of Israel used to take a bath looking at each other while they are completely naked, while Moses used to take his bath by himself alone. They said, why is not Moses taking his bath with us , May be he has large testicles. One day, Moses went to take a bath, he put his clothes on a rock. The rock took his clothes and ran away. Moses ran naked after the rock calling on it to give him his clothes. The Children of Israel looked at the naked Moses and said, By God , he looks all right. Moses took his clothes from the rock and kept beating the rock. ”
    Another SAHIH NON-SENSE. What this has to do with our perfect religion, Islam and the prophet Muhammed. It is the kind of shame that you find in the books fabricated by men and accepted by some Muslims as our Islam.

    Sahih Bukhary;
    Abu Hurayra said; the messenger of God said; “If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refused. Then he slept the night mad at her, she will be cursed by God and the angels until the morning.”
    Another NON-SENSE lie listed in the Hadiths books as SAHIH HADITH. This does not even get close the teachings of God in the Quran where the relationship between the man and his wife is built on mutual love and respect.

    30:21 “Among His proofs is that He created for you spouses from among yourselves, in order to have tranquility and contentment with each other, and He placed in your hearts LOVE and CARE towards your spouses. In this, there are sufficient proofs for people who THINK.”

    Sahih Moslem;
    Abu Hurayra said; the messenger of God said; “If any of you eat, then you should lick your fingers because you do not know in which one is the blessings (Baraka).
    What this has to do with the teaching of the religion of God Alone, the religion of absoluteness to the one and only God ??!!

    Sahih Moslem;
    Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God said; ” If any of you eats, you should eat with your right hand, and drink with the right hand, because Satan eats and drinks with his left hand.
    NON-SENSE, lie listed as Sahih Hadith. Satan is not of the same physical character like humans. His creation is different than humans according to God in the Quran. Does he eats like humans? Quran mentions nothing about Satan eating and whether he is right handed or left handed. We are not to follow Satan by leaving the Quran and hold to non-sense man- made religion found in fabricated hadith books. God told us that His book is complete, perfect and fully detailed. If you do not believe God is His assertion then it does not matter if you eat with your right hand all your life, Hell will be your abode.

    Sahih Bukhary;
    Abu Hurayra said; the messenger of God said;
    “A woman should not fast except with her husband’s permission.”
    Again you can see the contradiction to the Quran.
    Nowhere in the Quran can you find this kind of order. Every soul is responsible for his/her own deeds. A husband will not carry the sins of his wife if she does not fast or do her prayers. The order for fasting in the Quran goes to both men and women. God holds every person responsible for his/her own deed. God told us repeatedly in the Quran that on the day of Judgment people will always blame somebody else for their fall, but this does not help.see Quran 2:166-167

    Sahih Bukhary;
    Abu Hurayra said the messenger of God said; ” God descends every night to the lower Heaven in the last third of the night, saying ; who will ask me so I would give him ? who would ask for forgiveness so I forgive him?”
    This hadiths is insulting to God, the Messenger of God and the Muslims and has no support from the Quran or common sense. God is teaching us in the Quran that He is with us everywhere. He does not need to move down or up to listen to us. He is closer to us than the Jugular vein in our neck. See Quran 50:16

    These are Gods words:

    The Quran is not in need of an annex since it is complete: “The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice” 6:115

    The Quran is not in need of an explanatory supplement since it is clear and is not ambiguous: “A.L.R. These are the signs of the clear book” 12:1 “We have made it (the Quran) easy to understand and in your own tongue (language) may you take heed.” 44:58

    The Quran is not in need of a correction manual since it is perfect and harbours no contradictions: “A.L.R. This is a book whose verses have been perfected” 11:1

    The Quran is not in need of a step by step guide since it is fully detailed: “Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?” 6:114

    Quran is fully detailed and the only source of religious law: “Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt. The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.” 6:114-115

    We must not follow the Mullah or Seikh, but ONLY God because God said: “You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them (Quran: 17:36)”

    Forget everything else and follow God.

  17. Ahmed, I will try to answer your comments when I get time, I have seen them all before.

    You still failed to address how you know how many rakats to pray as this is not in the Quran? What about Zakat? How much do you pay and how do you know this amount? Its not in the Quran which you say is complete. The Quran is complete in how Allah wanted it to be, but he tells us to obey the Messenger(SAW) also. How can we obey the Messenger if we reject everything from him?

  18. Hoozahipocraitden, you said I was a hypocrite and you based that upon me calling the Quranites deviant. This is why I asked your opinion on them. So can you please explain.

    The revelation of Allah is clear and there are many who deviated from it. Its nonsense to say that we can’t proclaim this. If the Prophet(SAW) said dont play music and then people play music as a form of worship then they have deviated and its clear deviation and we proclaim it.

    Fair enough if you consider me a deviant but please do back up what you say and show me the particular parts of the religion which I have deviated from?

  19. Hoozahipocraitden

    Ibn, Allah’s revelation is very clear and you are clearly among those who have deviated from it.

    For one thing you are outright dismissing what’s clearly revealed in the Quran: that it is complete and perfect unto itself, with no need for additional explanatory texts or sayings. So are you saying that the parts you don’t like in the Quran are lies? Are you dismissing parts of the Quran while stubbornly holding onto the parts you like by the skin of your teeth? Which begs the question then, whether you really are a Muslim as you seem to claim.

    And that old, asinine and feeble argument about the knowledge of Zakat and prayers being brought to us through hadith is so lame. It’s just you and people like you desperately clutching at straws when you don’t really even have an argument. If you yourself can’t see how stupid that argument is and how easily it can be defeated then you have no business even arguing religion. I’m not even going to dignify the moronic question with an answer. If you can’t use God-given brain to figure it out yourself then you actually deserve to stay in the dark in your little cave.

    Just answer this: do you deny what the Quran says about it being revealed to humanity as the perfect book, without the need for annotations, footnotes, and explanatory notes.

    If you do, then even you with your pea for a brain can see how far off the true path you have wandered. Of course, I know that it’s beyond you to actually answer a question directly, even a simple one like this. But do try for once and see how it makes you feel.

  20. Hoozahipocraitden ,
    Your insults must bring into question whether you are a Muslim yourself given Allah ordered us against this. You also clearly use them to hide the fact that you have no real arguments.

    The Quran is perfect in how Allah meant it to be. It doesn’t tell us how to pray though. If it contained absolutely everything we needed to know then it would. It also tells us to obey the Messenger. If everything was in the Quran then why would we need to obey the Messenger in what he gave us, which would be additional to the Quran?

    Tell me, how do you know which ayats abrogated other ones?

    No doubt you will probably ignore the questions as usual and resort to more name calling to try to hide your ignorance. But who knows, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised and see some substance next time.

  21. Hoozahipocraitden

    heheheh Just as I thought. Couldn’t answer a simple question. Dimwit.

    Since when did stating facts become insulting. If you look like a moron, sound like a moron and write like a moron… well you know the rest. I wasn’t insulting you… just stating facts. It’s exactly what you are doing: calling people deviants or Quranites or whatever. I’m surprised you felt insulted. Does that mean that you actually meant to insult people by calling them deviants or whatever. tsk tsk Poor Ibn. You yourself said that Allah has ordered us against that. You’ve neatly placed your foot into hell already. Or was that your mouth? I’m sorry if you felt insulted, that wasn’t my intention at all. And by the way, my being Muslim or not doesn’t change the fact that you are a brain-dead moron.

    It’s true what you said though: I really do have no arguments. There’s no point arguing with a dimwit like you. Might as well have an argument with a wall. heheh. I’m just showing everyone here what a dumbass you are but you’re doing such a wonderful job all by yourself, I wonder if you even require my help anymore.

    Anyway, if the Quran didn’t contain absolutely everything we needed to know then it wouldn’t have said so in the first place, now would it? So are you denying the truth of the Holy Quran now? tsk tsk Ibn Deviant. Surely the fires of hell are just thirsting to have a taste of your blaspheming flesh. Did you decide which parts of the Quran you would follow on your own, or like with most things, did someone else told you what you should believe and think? How does it feel to be incapable of independent thought?

  22. LOL @ Shieks

    If all music is haram, why hasn’t a fatwa been brought forward by the highest authorities in islam in the “holy” kingdom of saudi arabia, with regard to their national anthem?

    It has music and lyrics all over the place!!!

  23. Yoosuf Moosa Didi

    i affirm with the commentary given by Ahmed.

    if aysha, umar, and abu bakr has declared that Abu Hurayra was a liar, then there is no need for any other proof. Those who ascribe lies to the prophet Muhammad s.a.w, their words cannot be accepted, nor shall any testimony from them be accepted. However, Allah sw is the all knowing.

  24. Yoosuf Moosa Didi

    i researched a bit more and found contradictory views between those of the sunni’s and shi’a. the sunni ppl hold Abu Hurayra in much esteem while those of the shi’a have slandered Abu Hurayra.

    The sunni hadhiths contained within Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, can be traced back to Prophet Muhammed saw without the chain of relators being broken whereas the shi’a hadhiths are in contradiction. And Abu Hurayra (may allah be pleased with him) was not a liar! may allah be a witness to his honesty.

    And Allah sw knows best, and by Allah, in whose hand my soul is, I ask for his guidance and his mercy for doubting and for creating doubt, and for his punishment on those who mislead others in their ignorance. Aameen.

    Those who write these sorts of articles, should first and foremost learn Islam! do not open your mouths and put your ink on paper without knowing religion. DO NOT try to confuse the people!

    Allah sw curse those who mislead others in their ignorance. Aameen

  25. Yoosuf Moosa Didi

    bismillah arahmaan, ah’raheem, in the name of allah.

    i will be using plain english here. may allah guide you all. aameen

    regarding the article above:

    Fundamentalist – A person who has the fundamental knowledge, rather basic knowledge in a particular field. particularly in religion (also known as extremists nowadays)

    Whats wrong with being a fundamentalist?

    Nothing :) Suppose you want to do something right, for example, do well in your math or english test, you would need to know the basics, the fundamentals of the subject. if you don’t know, would you know how to do your exam well?

    when it comes to religion, if its a fundamentalist, then most of the people think ‘OH NO!!’ but a fundamentalist in religion is much the same as any other field. He/She is someone who knows the basics of the religion.

    The Religious fundamentalist, nowadays called as extremists.

    Oh muslims! whats wrong with being an extremist? Be proud of it. By Allah, any muslim extremist is indeed extremely caring, merciful, kind, honest and obiedient to Allah and the muslim community. And an extreme adversary to evil, to sins and extremely against those who corrupt and to those who make bid’ah etc.

    Do not be afraid of this western word. It is not a threat! but a phrase we should be proud of! We are extremists by Allah, in the way of Allah. Allah forgive us and guide us!

    “and it was interesting to see at least one Muslim who doesn’t twist Islam and claim music, photography, art, movies and all other kinds of human creativity is haram”

    Whoever said human creativity is haram? :) Human creativity is encouraged in Islam. As long as it doesn’t go out of the boundaries of Islam. Nowadays, photographers take nude pictures, painters paint nude pictures, musicians make songs advertising illegal sex and other evil acts movies portray extra-marital affairs and sex, not to mention making what is illegal look nice, story books describe sexual activities in detail, all in the name of Creativity. isn’t that nice? :)

    yes indeed! all in the name of creativity. they are all HARAM, by ALLAH, they are haram to watch, to make, to live on. Curse the eyes, the ears, the hearts, and the hands that experienced what is out of the boundaries of Allahs commands. but if its in the boundaries, by All means, go ahead enjoy what allah sw has given you

    psychologists have proven that selected stories read to children had a significant and permanent effect on the children! there is a saying, you are what you eat, what you read, what you see!

    so if you involve yourself in junky stuff you become junky! and so Allah sw has decreed to lower your gaze, to not take heed of things that are illegal.

    Do you not fear for for the day when Allah sw will make you accountable for what you looked at, what you read, what you listened to, and whatever you did?

    “”I bet if these extremists come on a live debate with Afrasheem and Gubad, their extremist viewpoints will be easily defeated. They won’t have anything to argue with.”"

    by Allah, do not bet on things, Allah has indeed made betting prohibited. why do you want to do things that Allah has made forbidden?? But even I would like to see Afrasheem and Gubad trying to bring evidence to the table when the respected scholars from Adaalath debate with them. And I’m sure by Allah, that even if Adaalath offers to host these debates, Afrasheem and Gubad will never ever answer them, like the current DRP President Maumoon Abdul Gayyoom, who refused their invitation.

  26. Yoosuf Moosa Didi

    “muslim” – this is for u :)

    “”Ibn Khattab is misunderstood. It never says music is haram in the quran. What others say quoting Prophet MOhamed(saw) is second hand> I will follow the quran and look upon all other issues to common sense based upon knowledge!”"

    Bismillah Ah’rahmaan, Ah’raheem. In the name of Allah

    May Allah save me from the ill of this comment. Aameen.

    True, it never said music is haram! Indeed!!

    The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

    “Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).

    It means what is says! And i say the same to you. You will permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments! you are among the ummah of the rasool muhammad s.a.w. By ALLAH in whose hand my soul is, I swear it means what it says.

    Look you are being foolish now if you don’t understand. it really means that you will permit something. meaning it wasn’t permitted before. if you don’t understand this, then I’d advise you to go and study English again. seriously my ‘muslim’ brethren. you have to go to school again :)

    Following the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammed is part of following and obeying the Qur’an Allah has revealed to us! Are you, deaf, blind and dumb?? If you aren’t then surely you must have seen, heard and read the verses of Allah commanding you to follow the prophet muhammed

    Look brother, if you discard these verses which says to obey the prophet muhammed and you do not accept it, then you are not following Qur’an and you are not following the religion of Allah s.w.

    It makes you eligible for God’s wrath and punishment on you.

    May Allah Guide you. Aameen

  27. Yoosuf Moosa Didi

    to Hoozahipocraitden – this is for you :)

    “do you deny what the Quran says about it being revealed to humanity as the perfect book, without the need for annotations, footnotes, and explanatory notes.”

    Bismillah Ah’rahmaan, ah raheem, in the name of Allah!

    now now my dear brother in islam! do not add to Qur’an and do not attribute anything to Qur’an that you do not know of. Allah s.w has stated, not the Qur’an mind you, says that:

    “This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.”

    It doesn’t say anything like, that Quran is revealed to humanity as the perfect book without need for annotations, footnotes and explanatory notes. I challenge you oh Hoozahipocraitden to bring any verse, that contradicts my saying.

    No doubt, the Qur’an is a miracle of Allah s.w. No one can bring anything like Qur’an into existence, save by Allahs will. But Allah s.w. states in the Qur’an that Allah s.w. revealed the qur’an in parts so that the prophet may teach it to the believers. I will quote the translation here later.

    So, if the prophets sunnah wasn’t needed as an explanation, then by Allah, God wouldn’t have decided to let the prophet teach the people Qur’an in parts, so that he may clarify what it means.

    Now my dear brother, another example I will illustrate here.

    ‘…so now associate with them and seek what Allah hath ordained for you and eat and drink until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast till the night appears…’ Surah Al-Baqara, verse 187.

    Tell me dear brother :) have you tried to distinguish a black thread from a white thread in the dark, in the night, in the dead of the night with no light? Will you be successful? No, by Allah, as much as you have been speaking in figurative language to Ibn Khathab, Allah didn’t clearly state what he means by the verse! If Allahs messenger Prophet muhammed didn’t clarify it FOR you, then would you know when to start and break your fast?

    Now don’t tell me you don’t fast? that you fast in the reverse time? where did you learn to fast if you did it right? from your parents? from your school? it all came from the sunnah of Allahs messenger. you have lost my dear brother!

    and as Ibn Khathab repeatedly asked you there is no indication in Qur’an whatsoever to the times of the prayer, to the amount of rak’ah, nor the acts during the prayer. neither how to perform ablusion.

    so if you do perform ablusion and pray to Allah s.w, don’t tell me that it was not from the prophet muhammads sunnah! but i am sorry to say now i clearly have doubts that you even pray :)

    “It’s true what you said though: I really do have no arguments”

    and you claim, you have no argument? then why do you try to fight with someone who is showing you the right path. Come now man! don’t be stupid, if someone is showing you the right path its better to go the right path. he’s not going to get anything by you doing something wrong or doing something right. it’l only help you. do not be among those whom Allah misguided :)

    Oh Hoozahipocraitden, i challenge you! if you are anything worth of your foolish words, then disprove anything i have said here. But I assure by Allah, you will not be able to do anything but insult me :) but i will not mind your insults. you are dumb, deaf and blind in the path of Allah

  28. Yoosuf Moosa Didi

    to Invisible Pink Hollow Unicorn > this is for you!
    bismillaah ah’rahman, ah’raheem, in the name of Allah

    Pink?? Hollow?? Unicorn?? now i’m sure you’re a lady!

    and yes, you’re invisible, alhamdhulilaah, i do not have to see you! pink? Allah Ya’lam, Hollow? yes indeed! those who do not believe in Allah are hollow and they wonder what they are doing in this world. Unicorn? probably! those who don’t believe in Allah are lower than the rest of the creation of Allah. so you have a pretty good idea where you stand! Masha Allah :)

    “Mohamed, you are right. All religious people including yourself are fundamentalists and extremists which is why all religions are the root of all evil.

    First of all, Mohamed wasn’t supportive of your saying :) he was shocked at what Hilath was saying. Second, not all people who are religious are fundamentalists and extremists! to be a fundamentalist, you should know religion. most people don’t even know religion to begin with :)

    “The sooner we get rid of religions the better for humanity. Or in the case of Maldives, the sooner we can separate religion from government and politics, the better for Maldives society”

    The religions of this world are rooted to the world. The world will not exist without religion. Because, people have a desire to know how, why they came into this world. only aethists have no care for why they live. because they live only to enjoy this life :) i’m sure you’re one of them, and you’re annoyed by the limitations religion has put on your life. Shame really that you were born in Maldives! Religion is the way of life, you better understand it contains how Allah s.w wants the world to work. He could make it happen see, but Allah wants to examine us. So.. you’re doing pretty well :) Good luck

  29. Yoosuf Moosa Didi

    to Ahmed > this is for you

    Bismillah Ah Rahman Ah Raheem

    Maaaaan! you shouldn’t try to confuse people ok? I mean, most of the Maldivians are Sunni’s. You shouldn’t try to confuse us with Shi’a lies :) If you have any proof then bring out your proof, with chains of narrators directly related to the Prophet Muhammed and his companions.

    If the chains of narrations you bring are not upto the grading of the scholars of Sunni, do not try to make us confused. we don’t accept them as sound (in other words – sahih) may allah be merciful on you! Allah s.w. protects his religion. And those who meddle with it, will only find more confusion in their lives.

    Those who attribute lies to the prophet Muhammed and his companions, may Allah judge them severly. Aameen. Have you no fear for Allah?! He is the most merciful, the most compassionate! but do not forget, he is also the most severe in punishing! A’uzu Billah!

  30. Yoosuf Moosa Didi

    LOL @ Shieks – this one is for you!

    Bismillah Ah Rahman, Ah Raheem

    Do not call Saudi Arabia as holy. Only Makkah and Madinah, are holy cities. Saudi Arabia is more or less like Maldives :) if you go to Riyaadh, you would see nothing short of what you’d expect in a western country. Only, some restrictions are there. But, hey, you get that everywhere!!

    Even Maldives was under a dictatorship, the kingdom that runs in Saudi Arabia is of the descendance of a conqueror named Abdul-Aziz bin Saud. Their kingdom has a way of doing things similar to that of our former president Maumoon Abdul Gayyoom. Did you not hear that the King of Saudi jailed the Imam of the Holy Mosque of Makkah just because he prayed that the Americans be engulfed in Allahs punishment and azaab?

    oh, did you not hear about that then? Allah s.w granted his prayer true :)

    yesssss, i knw, you’d just say its a natural disaster :) no worries, i can understand.

    so likewise, almost all of what is published in Saudi is censored. hope you got that right? you understood me? are we going on the same boat? good, lets move on!

    may allah s.w. show you guidance, aameen :)

  31. Yoosuf Moosa Didi

    Ibn Khathab – this my brother is for you :)

    Bismillah Ah Rahman, Ah Raheem.

    Do not falter in the path of Allah, do not be sad and do not grieve over the people who Allah misguided. Allah s.w has said to the prophet in the Qur’an in Al-Baqara surah, that the prophet will not be questioned about the inmates of Hell.

    By Allah, we who know anything of Islam and any saying of the prophet should try to teach and transmit them to those who do not know. Do not be worried about the accusations that the “Hoozahipocraitden” put on you of lying. Allah s.w has tested Allahs messengers much in the same way. Those who speak the truth were always regarded liars.

    I will be a witness to your noble efforts by Allah. And Allah is your witness, and you require no other. May Allah s.w forgive them and show them mercy. But most people nowadays are just ignorant. A’uzu Billah

    Have faith, do not falter. Allah will guide us to salvation Insha Allah. Verily the life of this world is temporary. And when Allah s.w turns the world over on the Last Day, insha Allah, we will be the ones smiling without despair. Aameen :)

  32. Ding Jian Yang

    Can anybody tell me how to contact Dr. Afrashim Ali. His brother from China is looking for him and still missing the times in Malaysia 10 years ago.

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